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Post by Rommel on Feb 27, 2011 12:08:50 GMT -6
So, as I'm sure some of you have noticed I'm writing again. Unfortunately this doesn't herald a full return to my fanfiction. I'm still under the same time constraints as before, but I've found my muse again if you will, and I can utilize the limited time I have to write.
But, I have a plan! It may not be a very good plan, but it's my plan, and it's got to be better than the one the Cylons had.
Step One: 1-3 more Imperial Glory One Shots.
Step Two: Finish up The Truth and the Way.
Step Three: Underpants! At that point have enough free time to play through ME2 and start on Imperial Glory Two.
Step Four: Profit!
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Post by dalek on Mar 6, 2011 11:48:57 GMT -6
1. cool what will they be about? 2. 'bout time. 3. ALRIGHT!!! BTW, I have an idea for Terra ascendant 2, it involves a peaceful lowborn Independence movement, sort of an anti-Cerberus. 4. No no no step 4 is supposed to be  , step 5 is supposed to be profit. |
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Post by dalek on Mar 6, 2011 15:29:20 GMT -6
1. cool what will they be about? 2. 'bout time. 3. ALRIGHT!!! BTW, I have an idea for Terra ascendant 2, it involves a peaceful lowborn Independence movement, sort of an anti-Cerberus. 4. No no no step 4 is supposed to be , step 5 is supposed to be profit. sorry about my bad grammar. |
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Post by kalaong on Mar 6, 2011 21:05:12 GMT -6
Yo. Rommel. Have you been keeping up with the comics? Mass Effect Evolution shows that the turians didn't invade Shanxi because of Relay 314, but because there were Prothean artifacts on Shanxi they wanted to seize - particularly one called the "Arca Monolith". Which makes Husks. Husks that can TALK. Which were really chatty with Saren. It's entirely possible that the Council knew about the Reapers since Shanxi.
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Post by Rommel on Mar 6, 2011 23:24:31 GMT -6
Truthfully, I don't pay attention to the novels or comics. I guess I should.
Checking out the synopsis on MEWiki.. wow. Unless I missed something, I guess they're going to go with 'Saren kept this to himself, didn't tell the Council'.
Or maybe I'm just trying to rationalize it in context, cause if the Council did know about the Reapers since the First Contact War.. holy frak.
It's bad enough that they flat-out refused to believe the possibility of the Reapers, if they actually knew about the Reapers and just ignored the threat... That's entirely new levels of incompetence, culpability and negligence. It'd make me feel a whole hell of a lot better about knocking them off on the playthrough I'm making to port to ME2 though.
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Post by kalaong on Mar 7, 2011 1:48:50 GMT -6
That might be a bad idea. What I got from it is that they went down the same path as Saren, giving in to fear, deciding on appeasement, and ending up indoctrinated, believing that surrender was better than extermination.
In ME2, the universe is a brighter place with a living Council since the other races don't see humans as conquerors. A human Council is not Highborn, and they're making some stupid screwups.
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Post by Rommel on Mar 9, 2011 0:34:04 GMT -6
But it's so much fun having the Geth kill them off! Especially the look on that Asari Captain's face when Joker closes the channel.
Bah, kill em' off, reform the council, put a Human in charge, that's the way to do business!
Unless the ME2 import only cares about them being alive or dead.. which is a COPOUT!
And I know they're not Highborn, and ME Humans make stupid decisions, just not quite as many as ME nonhumans. Don't mistake my self-amusing jingoism for complete seriousness in all cases, just most cases.
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Post by kalaong on Mar 9, 2011 0:59:54 GMT -6
I've been charting a Paragade (asshole Good Guy) lifepath for my Shepard - A Ruthless Earthborn who believes that the universe inherently sucks(and given that the Reapers planned out a lot of it, he's right), and it's his job as an Alliance Marine to make it better. He snarks, he shoots, he scores, scores, scores. He spares the Rachni, and says "three generation! No, four!" He saved the Destiny Ascension to save the soldiers aboard it, not the Council. And when those airquotes showed up, the Illusive Man got hisself a shiny Collector base.
I personally put it as Shepard giving them a slim chance, then saying screw it. Why take over the council when you can build your own from the ground up?
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Post by dalek on Mar 12, 2011 14:08:43 GMT -6
Truthfully, I don't pay attention to the novels or comics. I guess I should. Checking out the synopsis on MEWiki.. wow. Unless I missed something, I guess they're going to go with 'Saren kept this to himself, didn't tell the Council'. Or maybe I'm just trying to rationalize it in context, cause if the Council did know about the Reapers since the First Contact War.. holy frak. It's bad enough that they flat-out refused to believe the possibility of the Reapers, if they actually knew about the Reapers and just ignored the threat... That's entirely new levels of incompetence, culpability and negligence. It'd make me feel a whole hell of a lot better about knocking them off on the playthrough I'm making to port to ME2 though. Yeah Rommel, though I have a theory regarding the council dismissing the Reapers. The citadel is reaper tech right? what if the Reapers installed an indoctrination device into the citadel and the council has been indoctrinated into dismissing any evidence of the Reapers. Think about that. Also did you read my previous post? |
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Post by kalaong on Mar 12, 2011 19:51:34 GMT -6
Ay-yi-yi, that idea is never going to die. Indoctrination damages people. Period. It's like the insanity defense - unless someone is a complete and total wreck, it's bullshit. The council is too competent at being bureaucrats to be indoctrinated. Their crimes are their own damned fault.
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Post by convicter on Mar 14, 2011 21:26:26 GMT -6
Yes Indoctrination is very, very bad. Read up on self awareness and the way in which humans develop cognitively and you will see why indoctrination is a one way trip.
Additionally I will have to agree with Kal on Council topic. Shepard specifically says "Might as well not burn any bridges" when referring to the councils stance towards him. Additionally "canon Shepard" killed the council, canon Shepard is a slightly renegade. You can make better or worse decisions than canon Shepard, and doing the right thing may actually make fighting the reapers harder. So you do have a valid argument Rommel. I did not send in the fleet to save the council, I did it to save the Destiny Ascension.
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Post by dalek on Mar 14, 2011 22:08:38 GMT -6
Ay-yi-yi, that idea is never going to die. Indoctrination damages people. Period. It's like the insanity defense - unless someone is a complete and total wreck, it's bullshit. The council is too competent at being bureaucrats to be indoctrinated. Their crimes are their own damned fault. That isn't how I see Indoctrination. to me Indoctrination is more the altering of behavior and personality along with some subtle mind control slipped in. without someone controlling it you just end up with guys going bat-shit insane and turning themselves into husks. WITH control you can make the indoctrinated do whatever the hell you want. Come to think of it that might explain why saren joined the reapers saren:council I found evidence of a race of sentient star-ships that have whiped out the prothians and are now returning to our Galaxy Mr. Air-Quotes:we have dismissed that claim saren:one of them is just outside your window Mr. Air-Quotes:its just a big puppet saren:GHRRRRAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! why yes I am a spacebattler why do you ask? ;D |
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Post by kalaong on Mar 14, 2011 23:24:03 GMT -6
And it's specifically said that the more control the Reapers have over a subject, the less capable they become. If someone is skilled, they are not indoctrinated. Even the slight control Sovereign had over Saren made him so stupid that he never thought about how the majority of the galaxy would get indoctrinated into idiocy. Simple as that.
To put it simply, indoctrination makes robots, not quislings.
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Post by dalek on Mar 15, 2011 14:04:06 GMT -6
And it's specifically said that the more control the Reapers have over a subject, the less capable they become. If someone is skilled, they are not indoctrinated. Even the slight control Sovereign had over Saren made him so stupid that he never thought about how the majority of the galaxy would get indoctrinated into idiocy. Simple as that. To put it simply, indoctrination makes robots, not quislings. the joke people, comment on the joke. kalaong,you just pointed out the information i used to come to the conclusion that the council was indoctrinated. In fact indoctrination would explain why the council suffered a huge drop in competence in ME2. You said it yourself the more control the reapers have over someone the less capable that person becomes, and to me it seems that the council has become a lot less capable of seeing the evidence in front of their damn face!!!! wouldn't you agree?  and now the obligatory Dr.Who joke Harbinger: I am the vanguard of your destruction (a blue police box appears) Harbinger: SHIT HE'S HERE!!! don't forget to comment on the joke |
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Post by kalaong on Mar 15, 2011 21:03:17 GMT -6
The problem is that the Council are still skilled bureaucrats. If they were indoctrinated, they couldn't maintain control over Citadel space.
And yes, the Reapers would be terrified of "The Oncoming Storm".
"Your race hasn't even reached Type 1 on the Kardashev scale. It doesn't control the resources of this one planet, let alone a solar system or a galaxy. The Time Lords were the Type 4 civilization. We had no equals. We controlled the fundamental forces of the entire universe. Nothing could communicate with us on our level. Most races pray to lesser beings than the Time Lords."
— Time Lord Marnal, Doctor Who: The Gallifrey Chronicles
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Post by dalek on Mar 16, 2011 13:15:03 GMT -6
The problem is that the Council are still skilled bureaucrats. If they were indoctrinated, they couldn't maintain control over Citadel space. And yes, the Reapers would be terrified of "The Oncoming Storm". "Your race hasn't even reached Type 1 on the Kardashev scale. It doesn't control the resources of this one planet, let alone a solar system or a galaxy. The Time Lords were the Type 4 civilization. We had no equals. We controlled the fundamental forces of the entire universe. Nothing could communicate with us on our level. Most races pray to lesser beings than the Time Lords." — Time Lord Marnal, Doctor Who: The Gallifrey Chronicles The council, skilled bureaucrats... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (falls off the chair) thats a good one were do you get your material? seriously though, the council is one of the most incompetent group of assholes I've ever seen in media. not to mention the way their structured is moronic. i mean seriously only a few select races are allowed to have a council and everyone has to obey their whims, one species is allowed to have more guns than the others, and don't get me started on the complete ban of technology such as AI's, didn't those guys ever heard of the three laws. I'm personally hoping for the option to restructure the council to allow full representation of all species along with getting rid of all the stupid parts i mentioned above. also wouldn't a doctor who/mass effect crossover be awesome, I can see it now, cybermen interrupting the first contact war turian commander: what the? reinforcements? human POW: no, its the cybermen. cybermen: DELETE. Judoon joining c-sec (Shepard brings volus's credit chit to judoon proving quarians innocence) judoon: charge framing a Innocent (I don't know the legal term) verdict guilty sentence execution (volus is disintegrated) and best of all, the reapers and the daleks reenact the funniest scene from doomsday harbinger: you are waging war against a enemy you cannot hope to beat dalek: THIS IS NOT WAR, THIS IS PEST CONTROL harbinger: there is over 5 thousand reapers each one a fully functional war ship how many of such vessels do you have dalek: FOUR harbinger: you would destroy the reapers with four vessels dalek: WE WOULD DESTROY THE REAPERS WITH ONE VESSEL, YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN ONLY ONE RESPECT harbinger: what is that dalek: YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING i want to see that. wouldn't you, comment on that if you do. |
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Post by dalek on Mar 16, 2011 13:17:51 GMT -6
The problem is that the Council are still skilled bureaucrats. If they were indoctrinated, they couldn't maintain control over Citadel space. And yes, the Reapers would be terrified of "The Oncoming Storm". "Your race hasn't even reached Type 1 on the Kardashev scale. It doesn't control the resources of this one planet, let alone a solar system or a galaxy. The Time Lords were the Type 4 civilization. We had no equals. We controlled the fundamental forces of the entire universe. Nothing could communicate with us on our level. Most races pray to lesser beings than the Time Lords." — Time Lord Marnal, Doctor Who: The Gallifrey Chronicles The council, skilled bureaucrats... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (falls off the chair) thats a good one were do you get your material? seriously though, the council is one of the most incompetent group of assholes I've ever seen in media. not to mention the way their structured is moronic. I mean seriously only a few select races are allowed to have a council seat and everyone has to obey their whims, one species is allowed to have more guns than the others, and don't get me started on the complete ban of technology such as AI's, didn't those guys ever heard of the three laws. I'm personally hoping for the option to restructure the council to allow full representation of all species along with getting rid of all the stupid parts I mentioned above. also wouldn't a doctor who/mass effect crossover be awesome, I can see it now, cybermen interrupting the first contact war turian commander: what the? reinforcements? human POW: no, its the cybermen. cybermen: DELETE. Judoon joining c-sec (Shepard brings volus's credit chit to judoon proving quarians innocence) judoon: charge framing a Innocent (I don't know the legal term) verdict guilty sentence execution (volus is disintegrated) and best of all, the reapers and the daleks reenact the funniest scene from doomsday harbinger: you are waging war against a enemy you cannot hope to beat dalek: THIS IS NOT WAR, THIS IS PEST CONTROL harbinger: there is over 5 thousand reapers each one a fully functional war ship how many of such vessels do you have dalek: FOUR harbinger: you would destroy the reapers with four vessels dalek: WE WOULD DESTROY THE REAPERS WITH ONE VESSEL, YOU ARE SUPERIOR IN ONLY ONE RESPECT harbinger: what is that dalek: YOU ARE BETTER AT DYING i want to see that. wouldn't you, comment on that if you do. sorry about my bad grammar, this is the fixed version |
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Post by Rommel on Mar 16, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -6
I can't believe I'm in the position of defending the Council. Let's just do this and agree to never talk about it again.
They are a bunch of assholes, and not in the nice 'Oh you're such a card!' way.
Are they incompetent? Oh yeah, when it counts the most, they are incompetent, blind, little mudcrabs.
However, they are the leaders of a galactic government. They can't be that stupid. The fact that the Citadel government still runs points to the fact that they are good at what they do. Could they be doing alot better? In my opinion, yes, but it's all based on perspective.
The structure of the Council Races doesn't disgust me that much. To butcher a quote, 'The only truly universal language is violence'. Naked force is the ultimate arbiter, and words are useless unless backed up with actions. You don't just hand a bunch of jellyfish 1/4th say in how the galaxy is run because of 'fairness'. They show up to the party with enough Dreadnoughts to rival the Turian fleet, then you renegotiate the relationship. Or if they, you know, save your collective asses from extinction.
Anyway if you're gonna stick around Dalek, make an account so you can just edit your posts.
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Post by kalaong on Mar 17, 2011 9:49:23 GMT -6
And if they were indoctrinated, they couldn't run a galactic government at all. Saving the Destiny Ascension is the right thing to do because the people on board don't deserve to die just because their leaders are shortsighted.
But unless there's a serious boobytrap in the Collector Base, the Illusive Man deserves to get it simply because he's a skilled problem solver. And if he ever steps out of line, Shepard will be there to deal with him.
Living jerks can be made dead later. Dead allies cost several billion credits a pop to resurrect.
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Post by convicter on Mar 17, 2011 16:24:37 GMT -6
That was my reasoning Kal, the DA has a crew of 10,000. The combined crews of the lost alliance ships was less than 30% of that.
I blew up the collector base simply because the illusive man pissed me off with all his deception crap.
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Post by dalek on Mar 17, 2011 19:39:54 GMT -6
And if they were indoctrinated, they couldn't run a galactic government at all. Saving the Destiny Ascension is the right thing to do because the people on board don't deserve to die just because their leaders are shortsighted. But unless there's a serious boobytrap in the Collector Base, the Illusive Man deserves to get it simply because he's a skilled problem solver. And if he ever steps out of line, Shepard will be there to deal with him. Living jerks can be made dead later. Dead allies cost several billion credits a pop to resurrect. I wouldnt be surprised if the collector base was a trap. to me everything about it just sceamed "reaper backdoor" thats the reason i blew it up, that and i diddnt want to give a guy with glowing eyes, human supremice tendices, and a ego way to big for its own good that kind of power |
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Post by dalek on Mar 17, 2011 20:12:29 GMT -6
And if they were indoctrinated, they couldn't run a galactic government at all. Saving the Destiny Ascension is the right thing to do because the people on board don't deserve to die just because their leaders are shortsighted. But unless there's a serious boobytrap in the Collector Base, the Illusive Man deserves to get it simply because he's a skilled problem solver. And if he ever steps out of line, Shepard will be there to deal with him. Living jerks can be made dead later. Dead allies cost several billion credits a pop to resurrect. I wouldn't be surprised if the collector base was a trap. to me everything about it just screamed "reaper back-door" thats the reason i blew it up, that and i didn't want to give a guy with glowing eyes, human supremacy tendencies, and a ego way to big for its own good that kind of power This is why i wish i had a working email address. also i just noticed the stuff about the new mass effect comic. my advice, ignore it. this is the kind of stuff that is made canon by hired fanboys and causes more retcons than acceptable. you know, like the new forerunner trilogy is doing to halo, or how (shudders) one more day did to spider-man also regarding indoctrination, exactly how it works has actually been pretty inconsistent. i mean in ME its described as a field that gradually robs you of your will and makes you little more than a puppet or if your will is strong enough a prisoner in your own mind, then in ME2 causes you to hallucinate and impale yourself on husk making spikes. for all we know their could be a setting (so to speak) that lets you stay a skilled bureaucrat but when confronted with evidence of the reapers makes you go lalalalalala i am not listening lalalalala and lets leave it at that. |
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Post by anna18 on May 30, 2018 22:51:23 GMT -6
Interesting
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, step 5 is supposed to be profit.
